How do Australians call the Ursa Major constellation ?

[skysurfer]

The 'official' name is Ursa Major, but in the US they call it 'Big Dipper', in the UK 'Plough' . I am curious what other Anglo Saxon countries call UMa.

Despite common misconception that UMa is a 'northern hemisphere only' constellation, in most parts of Australia the Ursa Major is visible from March till June in the evening low in the north.

[Nikolas]

Define anglo saxon country

[Blue Skies]

Here in Perth we can't see all of the "Big Dipper.," so it doesn't get called anything. The bits we can see, mainly the Bear's legs, are just belonging to Ursa Major. That's when anyone even remembers that its there below Leo... The short story is that it rarely even rates on the radar for us.

The biggest trouble I have is getting people to realise that the Saucepan in Orion is NOT the Big Dipper. And then to confuse things I have met some older people who were taught that the Saucepan was the Little Dipper, so there is a lot of confusion over what is what down here. I do my best to explain that they are quite different asterisms when I get the chance.

[Blue Skies]

I would take that to mean countries with a European heritage/influence, or English as a first language. It's probably not the best description, I agree, but nothing to get offended over, surely?

[Nikolas]

Not offended but its not a correct terminology. I'm sure the Irish would not take too kindly or the scots.
Anyway it's referred to as he Big Dipper or Ursa Major never seen it from Melbourne

[Terry B]

Not called anything for me.

The "dipper" bit of the constellation reached 6deg above the horizon for me here in nothern NSW so isn't really visible.

[Steffen]

No matter what we call it (and believe me, I've tried), it simply won't come into view :D

Cheers
Steffen.

[mithrandir]

I've seen it twice. Once from Broome WA, and once from the highlands above Pittsburgh PA (the rest of the time in the US was light polluted or cloudy). In Broome during May it cleared the horizon for a few hours. The locals called it the Big Dipper.

[OICURMT]

Sorry, but American's call Ursa Major... Ursa Major. We call the Asterism that make up the back of the Bear the "Big Dipper"...

Standard Disclosure: I'm American ;)


I was at Uluru during Easter 2010 and saw the Big Dipper on the horizon. The local "Astronomer" who gives a talk at the "Sounds of Silence (http://www.ayersrockresort.com.au/sounds-of-silence/)" dinner
wasn't even aware you could see it from Australia (in fact, he denied it was possible even after I pointed it out to him).

OIC!

[Blue Skies]

Ah, yes. I believe you have a point there. Perhaps you should include the Welsh in there, as I have run into an ornery Welshman as well, to my misfortune...I'm still confused as to whether its Britain, Great Britain, England or the UK, nothing I tried to use seemed to make him happy. :confused2:

[Blue Skies]

Oh dear. Sounds as bad as the story I heard of the woman who denied that the Moon could be seen in the daytime, even though it was plainly visible that day!

[sheeny]

I first saw UMa when I was in Cairns as a young cadet engineer. I hadn't got involved in astronomy at that stage but I knew enough to recognise it as the "Big Dipper". It struck me at the same time that I couldn't see Crux... made me realise how far from home I was.

But in answer to the question: UMa or Big Dipper works for me.

Al.

[andyc]

I miss The Plough, and the great galaxies that hang around it (M51, M101, M81, M82 and a load of other ones). The whole constellation was always UMa or the Great Bear to me, but the seven bright stars are definitely "The Plough"! ["Big Dipper" always grated to me, but hey, it's what you grow up with...]

As far as the name for our islands/countries - the UK is made up of Great Britain (the larger island) and Northern Ireland (part of the smaller island), and a bunch of other small islands. There are four countries within the UK: Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales. The whole sort of general mish-mash is called the UK. Origins (Anglo Saxon and other) are complicated.

A note to Aussies... referring to us as "English", or the whole UK as "England" generally offends us Scots, as well as the Welsh and Irish, though I'm sure those people who are actually from the part of Britain that is England don't mind so much. "Britain" and "British" are usually fine (and certainly are to me), though it might depend upon which flavour of Irishman you're talking to! :eyepop: Clear as mud? :rofl:

Whatever the country name, it's a long way from here, and usually rains a lot more!

[OICURMT]

I generally refer to you guys as.... "you guys" ... :rofl:

[Paddy]

Maybe we could refer to that part of the world as "the Antipodes".:)

Regarding the asterism, like others here, I don't call it anything because it's too low for me to be interested in.

[AstralTraveller]

My maternal grandparents, one from Auchinleck and the other from Cambuslang, called it 'the old country', a name which used to be widely used even by Australian born descendents of the British Isles.

I have seen UMa and the big dipper from northern Australia but from here, with Sydney to my north, it isn't even on my radar. Coma Berenices is even too far north to be well seen.

[Cumbrian]

The Plough.

[skysurfer]

UMa and Crux have about the same right ascension. That means that during May/June (or April after midnight) both constellations are visible in the tropics, incl. Cairns. UMa low in the North, Crux in the south.

[el_draco]

In Tasmania, the main island of Australia :P we call it "Invisible" :welcome:

[Julian]

maybe they pick up the telephone and call 1800UrsaMajor? LOL

[Gem]

Generally nicknames are reserved for constellations we view easily... Ursa Major is not easily visible from most of Australia... so no extra names from me! :)

[Wavytone]

When I saw it on a clear cold night at Shangri-La, "the big dipper". Even my wife recognised it as such.

If I'd said "big bear" she would have replied "what ?".

[Camelopardalis]

Slap bang overhead here, when the clouds part for long enough to see :lol:

Will miss it when I move, but the galaxies up there are so faint :sadeyes:

[SkyViking]

We Scandinavians call it 'Karlsvognen' which actually means the Man's Wagon (Karl is not a name but is the old word for farmhand).
In addition, the Little Dipper was in old times correspondingly known as the Women's Wagon, but that name is not used anymore, we call it the Little Bear.

[FJA]

Best say Britain. Then everyone (well, nearly everyone) is happy. Non-Brits, don't whatever you do, conflate 'England' with the United Kingdom or Britain as a whole. That annoys everyone, including the English :D

I call the asterism the Dipper, influenced by doing a lot of observing in the US.

[Jon]

Ah, Dunk, get yourself down here to the land of the galaxies in Centaurus and Fornax. You have to wear sunglasses at the eyepiece or you risk getting dazzled by the light ;-)

[Jon]

Interesting thread. I'm continuing my obsession with globular clusters by attempting to image M13 in Hercules sometime around now. I got a very brown snapshot of it the other night at 7 degrees altitude, but it gets to a decent height around 1 am nowadays - about 18 degrees maximum altitude.

[Camelopardalis]

Sounds a fair trade :thumbsup: will my sunglasses work down there? Not sure they know what bright sun/star light is :lol:

[Gem]

I don't think we can boast too much on the galaxy front... M31 is pretty good.
Clusters and nebulae - we have the best though.

[multiweb]

'grande ourse' et 'petite ourse' :)

[Irish stargazer]

:(
Feeling homesick after reading all these posts. I do miss The Plough overhead and the ability to go observing without being eaten alive by mozzies. I don't miss the constant rain and the rare nights that one actually gets to see the Plough.;)

[Camelopardalis]

All cloud and rain up here recently, haven't been out with the scope for weeks :sadeyes:

What's the deal with the mozzies? Nobody warned me about them...I'll be eaten alive :help:

[Jon]

Best tip with the mozzies is to think about the funnel webs, tiger snakes, stonefish, blue-ringed octopus, brown snakes, box jellyfish, great white sharks, and saltwater crocodiles.

You'll find you are not so concerned about being eaten by the mozzies after that.

[multiweb]

Aeroguard is the answer. They like fresh blood. :lol:

[Barrykgerdes]

oui oui (?)

non

ur(s)ine (?)

[el_draco]

WOT?

:shrug:
:question:
:rolleyes:
:P
:help:
;)

[Camelopardalis]

I only wish you were joking, but my fears are being well and truly pampered hearing about all those :sadeyes:

[multiweb]

:lol: You've been doing too many cross words monsieur Barry. ;)

[Barrykgerdes]

oui oui
mon ami Marc

some of my school yard french

Barry