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Martin Pugh
19-09-2008, 12:26 AM
Hi all
I started collecting data for this in mid-June and got the last few 2
nights ago.
This is a 2 frame mosaic of this lovely nebula in Scorpius. I did a
widefield version of this last year, but this is the high-res companion
consisting of 46 hours total exposure time (6hrs SII, 6hrs OIII, and 11
hours HA per frame).
Of course, stellar FWHM is always reduced with narrowband, but with the
AO-L working as well, many of these frames came in at 1.3-1.6" raw FWHM.
Usual kit - 12.5" RC, STL11K, AO-L, Astrodon filters, PME.
Cheers and thanks for looking
Martin
http://www.martinpughastrophotography.id.a u/IC4628Mosaic.jpg (http://www.martinpughastrophotography.id.a u/IC4628Mosaic.jpg)
AlexN
19-09-2008, 12:34 AM
Stunningly vibrant colors..
The detail and clarity of all the different structures is amazing, and gawd look at all those tiny little pin point stars!!!
Fantastic image Martin... :)
Kirkus
19-09-2008, 04:32 AM
Wow, Martin! Just wow!
iceman
19-09-2008, 04:53 AM
Wow indeed. That's very special!
Stunning image Martin !
I noticed a few of red stars/dots, is that actual star colours or artifacts from the SOH process?
gregbradley
19-09-2008, 06:02 AM
That is fantastic Martin. 46 hours, what a feat!
Greg.
gregbradley
19-09-2008, 06:04 AM
Hi Andrew,
Whats a SOH process?
Greg.
h0ughy
19-09-2008, 07:17 AM
WOW there is some fantastic detail in that shot.
The SII, OIII, and HA process.
Just wondering, because I don't have any experience with it, I've only done DSLR imaging.
Just wondering if it's artifacts or normal with this type of processing.
:)
Garyh
19-09-2008, 07:53 AM
Excellent work like always Martin! Such tiny stars! you certainly do a fine job of the SOH. All blends in beautifully.
I can see superman flying there!
multiweb
19-09-2008, 08:27 AM
That's awesome Martin! I really like the central part were the dark nebulosity edge is and you can see the lighter background blending into the pinkish then blue sky. It has a real depth to it. The only thing I don't like about narrow band pictures in general is that the stars almost always have darker halos around the brighter core. It's ok when the stars are on a darker background but they stick out when showing on top of a lighter background. It looks like they're pasted on top of another layer. Is this caused by stacking the different channels? Having said that I have never tried NB and I assume it must be very trying to get the data in the first place and process it. Never the less it's such a great picture. Well done. :thumbsup:
bluescope
19-09-2008, 04:24 PM
Awesome image Martin !
:thumbsup:
mick pinner
19-09-2008, 04:44 PM
obviously a labour of love and a work of art.
Matty P
19-09-2008, 05:35 PM
Incredible image Martin!
WOW!!! :eyepop:
:thumbsup:
RayOfLight
19-09-2008, 05:51 PM
very lovely!
Martin Pugh
19-09-2008, 06:06 PM
Hi all
and many thanks for the generous feedback.
the small red dots are indeed stars (not faults in noise rejection/hot pixels not removed in the SII frames) and they are most certainly a result of the pallette used. Many people shoot RGB to layer on top, but I have refined a technique which almost completely removes the magenta stars/halos common with NB imaging. I will demonstrating this at Lostock.
....and yes, you are absolutely right about the star halos..I am aware of this and thought I had taken care of it....clearly not...so I will be fixing that tonight and replacing the image on my website. Thanks for pointing it out...you are also right about the difficulty associated with NB imaging....its not straightforward considering that some objects are barely visible at these wavelengths....the Helix Nebula at SII is typical of this....I have currently got 16 hours SII on this object and its still not enough.
Cheers
Martin
gregbradley
19-09-2008, 06:16 PM
Martin,
I reckon healing tool the red stars out. Some like to have an accurate representation of the object imaged but I personally favour the product of an attractive and pleasing image. So I have no qualms about deleting offending stars if needed (often not required but you get the occassional quirk). Then again those stars would not be that colour either so it isn't an accurate representation.
Bicolour seems to keep the star colours reasonably well which is a surprise.
Fabulous image. I admire your hard work and your seamless mosaic. Also you have your setup humming which is 90% of the difficulty in this activity.
Greg.
Jeffkop
19-09-2008, 08:14 PM
That is without any doubt the most appealing image I have ever seen. The colours the focus the composition .. I gotta go back n have another look.
Yep ... I was right . THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE :eyepop:
Martin Pugh
19-09-2008, 08:24 PM
Hi Greg
yes, your right...lets not forget that this is false colour imaging...designed to bring out the different energy levels and emission lines in the nebula, altering the pallette as the imager sees fit...its all about aesthetically pleasing images and there is no right or wrong way.
I use a number of methods to keep star colours natural...sometimes I just use remove the magenta and other times I might shoot RGB, or use-bicolour...the latter is the best way as you have already got the data.
I am surprised my system is working at all...I have completely removed the Proline and FSQ again, totally rebalanced, short TPOINT mapping run, cable management, re-initalising...and on and on.
cheers
Martin
strongmanmike
19-09-2008, 09:29 PM
...ah you and your CCD autopilot automated RCOS, SBIG, PME, AOL, TPOINT, THESKY etc..heck it's the complete beez kneez....and it still isn't working smoothly? :scared: :doh:
Well it seems that between the rebuilds, rebalances and false alarm cloud sensor wakeups, you can gather absolute mega data non the less ;)
Not the most interesting area of sky really but your mammoth amount of data has made it quite beautiful - very nice work!
Mike
Greg's new rig is pretty cool too though, just not as automated as yours...yet :P
Wow, a truly stunning image.
Fantastic work Martin.
seeker372011
19-09-2008, 11:58 PM
lovely shot.
:eyepop::eyepop::eyepop:
that is a beautiful picture :thumbsup:
i am drooling right now :D
great work i hope you dont mind but thats my new desk top image :D;)
Deeno
20-09-2008, 07:52 AM
Holy starburst Batman!!!!
Absolutly mind blowing.......
tornado33
20-09-2008, 02:36 PM
I note the smoothness that indicates plenty of data yet such fine detail, the colour variations indicating different ionization is excellent.
Scott
Martin Pugh
20-09-2008, 05:38 PM
Hi all
and thanks once again....I will be posting an improved image shortly.
Mike.....good news mate....John Sarkissian has told me I cant enter the David Malin awards next year if I get that job :(
Never mind...must be a few comps I can enter in the US.
Cheers
Martin
spearo
20-09-2008, 08:41 PM
just stunning!
frank
strongmanmike
21-09-2008, 01:37 PM
That's not good new at all! Given your image/print business advertised in AS&T, you would have been semi-pro next year and I was hanging to see what Peter Ward was going to have to pull out of the bag to knock you over :lol:
Good luck with the job, what's happening to your system should you be successful?..need a house sitter on occassions by any chance? Might even be able to convince Angie to move back to south Yass so she is closer to Parliament :thumbsup:
Look forward to "your" reprocess...will make me look like less of a reprocessing nutter :screwy:
Mike :)
winensky
22-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Exquisite. What a wide range of ionisations in this region. I am begining to learn that every part of the sky is interesting if you look at it for long enough. Thanks.
Martin Pugh
22-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Thanks Matt
Mike.......I certainly wouldnt be entering the competition as a semi-pro....the fact that I have placed an ad in an attempt to sell some prints does not automatically place me in that category....even more so, since I have not had a single enquiry.....and when the ad disappears in the next edition, it will not be placed again.
Sure, I have sold a few to work mates, but the comp allows for that.
As for my kit? Well, if I get the job, it is going with me, and when I return, it wont be coming back if you get my drift.....but that is a long way off yet.
cheers
Martin
Martin Pugh
22-09-2008, 08:07 PM
BTW Mike...I am in Williamtown this week and next on a course at but will be shooting off home as quick as I can on Friday...there is imaging to be done.
cheers
Martin
strongmanmike
22-09-2008, 08:18 PM
RIGHT! I'll by 50 prints then....:D
So will you be leaving the gear in a remote setup in the US then?
Mike
Peter Ward
22-09-2008, 08:19 PM
Martin... yet again you've presented a deep sky image with a data gathering and processing excellence very few in Oz can match.
Damm those clear Yass skies! :)
Well done!
Martin Pugh
22-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Awwww...thanks Mike....and an order for 50 prints x $45 will certainly put me in the semi-pro bracket!
Hi Peter and thanks for the post..I appreciate the comments.
cheers
Martin
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